Ingredient #6: Second Generation Conviction

The WIGTake for Spiritual Generations 

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By Pheaney (Peter) Lindell and Chuck & Deb Wood

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Last week, we talked about the Hand of God moving through prayer. But spiritual reproduction fails when the second generation is merely echoing the convictions of the first. For the mission to survive our departure, the message must transfer with its original potency. Jesus did not want parrots; He wanted witnesses. He explicitly prayed for the next generation—“those also who believe in Me through their word” (John 17:20).

The Jesus Model

He understood that for the movement to survive His physical departure, the message had to transfer from the original twelve to others with the same potency.

But how does that transfer happen? It requires a shift from “I believe because you told me” to “I believe because I know Him.” We see this deep, sticky conviction in Peter. When the crowds deserted Jesus, He asked the twelve if they would leave too. Peter didn’t say, “We’re staying because we signed a contract.” He declared, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have words of eternal life” (John 6:68). That is the kind of bedrock conviction that weathers storms—a personal realization that Jesus is the only viable option.

Perhaps the most poignant example is Thomas. He missed the first post-resurrection appearance and refused to believe on hearsay alone. A week later, Jesus showed up specifically for him. He didn’t shame Thomas for his doubt; He offered His wounds. The result was a personal, ownership-taking confession: “My Lord and my God!” (John 20:26-29). Jesus then pronounced a blessing on the coming generations—us—who would believe without seeing, relying on the conviction passed down through the Word.

The Scriptural Model

Paul codified this generational vision in his final letter to Timothy. He commanded, “The things which you have heard from me in the presence of many witnesses, entrust these to faithful men who will be able to teach others also” (2 Timothy 2:2). This is the biblical mandate for four spiritual generations: Paul -> Timothy -> Faithful Men -> Others.

However, Paul knew this chain would break if the conviction was weak. He immediately followed this command with metaphors of endurance: “Suffer hardship with me, as a good soldier of Christ Jesus” (2 Timothy 2:3). He likened the disciple-maker to a soldier in active service, an athlete competing by the rules, and a hard-working farmer waiting for the harvest (2 Timothy 2:1-7). Second-generation conviction isn’t just about agreeing with a doctrine; it’s about possessing the grit to carry that doctrine through the “fog of war” and the fatigue of labor.

Stories

Our son, Wes, grew up watching us make disciples of Jesus. Our living room wasn’t just a family space—it was a training ground for young Airborne Rangers from our ministry. These soldiers became his youth group, an unlikely congregation of faith and brotherhood under our roof.

When Wes graduated high school, he surprised me with a question that stung a little: “Who would you recommend to mentor me?”

Understanding that the bird must leave the nest, I swallowed my pride. “Andrew,” I said without hesitation.

Andrew didn’t disappoint. Under his guidance, Wes flourished in knowledge, conviction, and practice of Jesus’ Great Commission. He married Tina, joined the Army, blessed us with four grandchildren, and has risen to the rank of Major.

But what fills my heart most isn’t his military success—it’s what he does with it.

Every single place the Army stations them, Wes and Tina make disciples and host a church in their home. They carry the torch we’d lit, the same one Andrew and Cindy had carried before them.

His recent six month deployment to Japan proved the depth of his commitment. Within a week, he’d gathered fellow soldiers to read the Bible together. He’d seen his parents do it, Andrew and Cindy do it, countless others do it—disciples making disciples.

“The things which you have heard from me in the presence of many witnesses, entrust these to faithful men who will be able to teach others also. Suffer hardship with me, as a good soldier of Christ Jesus…” (2 Timothy 2:2-4)

While his knowledge of this passage is commendable, what is truly impressive is the way he lives it.

From our living room to bases around the world, the chain remains unbroken. Wes doesn’t just wear his country’s uniform—he wears the mantle of faith we passed down, now passing it forward to faithful soldiers who will teach others also.

Story #2


The difference was striking if you pause a minute to consider. 

I recently heard a pastor at a legacy church talk about 6 (yes SIX!) teaching times that he leads throughout the week. It’s not that there aren’t others who could do some of that, and he’s not particularly prideful, it’s just the result of the paradigm. The main teacher teaches.

Juxtapose that with a disciple-maker I’m friends with. He sent me a picture of a discovery Bible study he is leading. I asked, “Who’s the guy praying in the front of the room?” His reply? “Oh, that’s Derek, he leads the Bible study now.”

We have to pass on leadership if we want to see spiritual generations.

Suggestions

  1. The “Pass the Ball” Test: Stop doing all the training. Ask the person you are discipling to prepare the lesson or lead the church next week while you sit back and observe.
  2. Ask “Who?”: Regularly ask those you are discipling, “How are your people doing?” or “Who are you focused on?” Keep them thinking about the next generation, not just their own consumption.
  3. They Memorize the Mandate: Have them commit the Great Commission (Matthew 28:18-20) to memory. Have them quote it to you often.

Application for Disciple Makers

For us, the WIGTake is having the patience to let those we disciple wrestle until they own their faith. We often rush to provide answers or secure their compliance, but second-generation conviction is forged in the fire of personal discovery. We must lead them to the point where they are no longer following us, but are following Him with a conviction that is entirely their own. It means preparing them not just for success, but for the hardship of a soldier and the patience of a farmer. True conviction is proven when they can withstand the pressure to quit and still choose to entrust the truth to others.

Conviction isn’t built in a classroom; it’s caught in the context of a life lived together. Next week, we look at the “inefficient” necessity of the Master’s method: Ingredient #7: Time With.

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Ingredient #5: Prayer and the Hand of God

The WIGTake for Spiritual Generations 

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By Pheaney (Peter) Lindell and Chuck & Deb Wood

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We’ve discussed vision and the authority of the Great Commission. This week, we look at the “Hand of God” that must move if our efforts are to matter. If Jesus, the Son of God, could not produce spiritual generations without prayer, what makes us think we can? We often treat prayer as the garnish on our ministry meal, but for Jesus, it was the fire that cooked it.

The Jesus Model

His selection of the twelve was preceded by a night of prayer, and His sustaining of them was anchored in His intercession. Nowhere is this clearer than in John 17, the High Priestly Prayer.

Jesus recognized that the men He was leading were not His own discovery, but God’s gift. He prayed, “I have manifested Your name to the men whom You gave Me out of the world” (John 17:6). This acknowledgment shifts the burden; if God gave them, God must sustain them. Consequently, Jesus prayed specifically for them: “I ask on their behalf; I do not ask on behalf of the world, but of those whom You have given Me” (John 17:9). He did not just pray for their success; He prayed for their spiritual survival, asking the Father not to take them out of the world, but to “keep them from the evil one” (John 17:15).

Crucially, Jesus prayed with the future in mind. He wasn’t just looking at the men in front of Him; He was looking at the generations they would spawn. He prayed, “I do not ask on behalf of these alone, but for those also who believe in Me through their word” (John 17:20). He was interceding for you and me, centuries before we were born.

The Scriptural Model

The early church lived this reality. In Acts, when the Apostles were faced with the overwhelming needs of those in the church, they appointed deacons so they could dedicate themselves “to prayer and to the ministry of the word” (Acts 6:4). Later, the explosion of the church in Antioch wasn’t attributed to a strategic plan but to a spiritual reality: “And the hand of the Lord was with them, and a large number who believed turned to the Lord” (Acts 11:21). Success was synonymous with the Hand of God resting on their efforts.

Paul embodied this dependence. He didn’t just teach Timothy; he prayed him into maturity. He writes, “I constantly remember you in my prayers night and day” (2 Timothy 1:3). This wasn’t a casual mention; it was a desperate, ongoing intercession. To the Thessalonians, he described praying “night and day most earnestly” that he might see them and “complete what is lacking in your faith” (1 Thessalonians 3:10). Paul understood that while he could teach them doctrine, only God could complete their faith.

Stories

It was the era B.Z.—Before Zoom—when I was on the phone with my friend Andrew. We were discussing the state of the Navigator ministry across the US Army. Honestly, the map looked sparse. We only had a handful of functioning ministries on about eight posts. It felt like we were holding ground rather than taking it.

I told Andrew I had been meditating on Joshua 1:3: “Every place on which the sole of your foot treads, I have given it to you, just as I spoke to Moses.”

There was a pause on the line before Andrew replied, “That makes you want to take a long walk, doesn’t it?”

“Why don’t we?” I shot back. “Why don’t we go to every major Army installation and pray that God gives us the land?”

“Let’s do it,” he said.

We recruited Dave and Cecil, piled into a van, and launched a massive prayer road trip. We hit the major hubs: Fort Bragg, Fort Campbell, Fort Hood, Fort Benning, Fort Carson, and Fort Lewis, just to name a few. At every single front gate, we stopped the car and got out. Then—at my insistence—we took off our shoes and socks. We stood barefoot on the pavement, sometimes in freezing temperatures, literally placing the soles of our feet on the ground to ask God for that post.

It wasn’t just a solemn pilgrimage; it was a riot of fellowship. We drove through a blinding blizzard, survived on road snacks, and even got run off by security guards who thought four shoeless men at a military gate looked suspicious. But we trusted God for the outcome.

That act of faith sparked something. Over the next eight years, we watched Jesus multiply our efforts from those original eight posts to thirty-two functioning ministries around the country. It remains the most spectacular spiritual growth spurt I have ever witnessed.

Suggestions

  1. The “Top 3” List: Keep a physical list of the people you are discipling (or wanting to disciple) in your pocket or phone. Pray for them by name daily, asking for specific breakthroughs in their character.
  2. Prayer Walking: Physically walk the grounds of your campus, base, or neighborhood. Place your feet on the ground and ask God to give you that territory for His Kingdom.
  3. Fast for Breakthrough: When you hit a spiritual wall with someone, stop talking to them about God and start talking to God about them. Commit to a day of fasting specifically for their growth.

Application for Disciple Makers

For us, the WIGTake is realizing that we cannot argue, strategize, or love someone into the Kingdom or into more fruitful ministry by our own strength. We need the “Hand of God” to move. Spiritual parenting requires battling on our knees. It means praying for those you are discipling by name, asking God to protect them, sanctify them, and use them to reach the next generation. Consider D.L. Moody, one of the most effective evangelists in history. He didn’t attribute the thousands of conversions in his ministry to his eloquence, but to the engine of prayer. He famously said, “Every great work of God can be traced to a kneeling figure.” We can preach or strategize until we are exhausted, but until the Hand of God moves through prayer, hearts remain stone.

Prayer invites God to do the work, but that work is only “generational” when the conviction doesn’t stop with us. Next week, we discuss the bridge to the future: Ingredient #6: Second Generation Conviction.

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Ingredient #4: Authoritative Vision Casting

The WIGTake for Spiritual Generations 

By Pheaney (Peter) Lindell and Chuck & Deb Wood

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Last week, we discussed the stewardship of finding the right people. But once we have identified those “good soil” individuals, what are we calling them to? We aren’t calling them to a hobby; we are calling them to a King’s mandate.

Once Jesus found the right people, He did not just hang out with them; He cast a compelling, authoritative vision for their lives. In our modern context, we often view “vision casting” as a corporate buzzword or a gentle suggestion. But for Jesus, vision was a command wrapped in a promise.

The Jesus Model

Look at His initial invitation in Matthew 4:19: “Follow Me, and I will make you fishers of men” (Matthew 4:19). This was not a vague offer of friendship; it was a clear trajectory. He defined the relationship (“Follow Me”) and the result (“fishers of men”). He spoke with the authority of someone who knew exactly what He could produce in their lives if they submitted to His process.

This authority culminated in the Great Commission. Jesus did not ask His followers to try their best; He declared, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. Go therefore and make disciples…” (Matthew 28:18-20). The vision for spiritual generations is anchored in the imperative. It is a command driven by His absolute lordship. He did not offer the mission as an option for the spiritual elite but as the standard operating procedure for every believer.

The Scriptural Model

When Paul took the baton of leadership, he mirrored Jesus’ authoritative tone. He did not suggest ministry ideas to Timothy; he issued orders like a general on a battlefield. He writes, “I solemnly charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus and of His chosen angels, to maintain these principles without bias” (1 Timothy 5:21).

Paul’s vision casting was not rooted in his own charisma but in the authority of God’s command and promise. In his final letter, facing execution, he intensified this language: “I solemnly charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus… preach the word” (2 Timothy 4:1-2). The Greek word for “solemnly charge” (diamartyromai) implies testifying under oath. Paul was binding Timothy’s conscience to the mission. He understood that to endure the hardships of ministry, Timothy needed more than a pep talk; he needed a divine mandate.

Stories

The face on my laptop screen looked tired. I was on a Zoom call with Sam, a missionary who had been grinding away in his field for a decade. He was faithful and hardworking, but he was frustrated. He wasn’t seeing “generations”—that spiritual multiplication where disciples make disciples who make disciples.

“I just don’t know why it’s stalling out,” he admitted, rubbing his eyes.

For the next thirty minutes, I didn’t try to fix it. I just listened. He explained the ins and outs of his ministry, the cultural hurdles, and the endless schedule. Finally, when he paused for air, I asked a simple question.

“Sam, what do you use for a vision cast to guide your people? When you’re trying to rally them, what do you say?”

His posture straightened immediately. He had an answer ready. He recited a beautifully crafted vision statement. It was comprehensive and strategic, detailing exactly how they planned to reach his city, expand to the province, and eventually impact the entire country.

I took a deep breath. I knew what I had to say would sting, but it was necessary.

“Sam,” I said gently, “Your vision has no authority.”

He blinked, clearly taken aback.

I leaned in toward the camera. “That is Sam’s vision to reach the city and the country. It sounds great, and it clearly motivates you because it’s your vision. But it holds no weight with anyone else. If you want your folks to be inspired, compelled, and truly committed, you have to stop giving them your vision and start giving them Jesus’ vision.”

I quoted the Great Commission in Matthew 28:18-20;

“And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” (Matthew 28:18-20)

I continued “This may not fix all your problems but at least your vision will have the authority to command a life. Use that, and you won’t just be sharing a plan; you’ll be delivering a command from the King.”

Suggestions

  1. Memorize the Mandate: Commit the Great Commission (Matthew 28:18-20) to memory. When you challenge someone, have the Word of God ready on your lips, not just a good idea in your head.
  2. Pray Through It: Pray through the Great Commission and other Scripture asking God to make you a generational leader.
  3. The “Eternity” Conversation: Take the person you are discipling out for coffee and ask, “What do you want your life to look like in 50 years?” Use their answer to pivot to a Kingdom vision that outlasts their career.

Application for Disciple Makers

For us, the WIGTake involves shaking off our hesitancy to call people to something greater. We often fear seeming demanding, so we settle for low-bar invitations. But those you are discipling crave a cause worth dying for. To be clear, we are not asking you to sell a slick version of your own personal vision. We are pointing them to Jesus’ vision—the one that holds all authority.

Biblical vision casting means looking someone in the eye and saying, “Jesus commanded us to go and make disciples. I can help you do that. If you’re all in, let’s get after it.” It involves the “solemn charge” to prioritize the Kingdom above comfort. It is not about controlling people, but about confidently connecting them to the destiny Jesus has already commanded. When you cast vision with this kind of authority, you aren’t imposing your will; you are clarifying God’s.

An authoritative vision is a heavy weight to carry. If we try to shoulder it alone, we will crumble. Next week, we look at our total dependence on the Father: Ingredient #5: Prayer and the Hand of God.

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Ingredient #1: Being the Right Kind of Person

The WIGTake for Spiritual Generations 

By Chuck & Deb Wood and Pheaney (Peter) Lindell 

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Last week, we teased the WIGTake (What’s It Gonna take?) to seeing spiritual generations of disciples for Jesus. Making good on our promise, we start today by focusing on you—the number one ingredient. In the economy of the Kingdom, you cannot impart what you do not possess. The first and most critical ingredient for spiritual generations is not a strategy, a curriculum, or a charismatic personality—it is you. Specifically, it is the quality of your walk with God and your character.

The Jesus Model

If we want to become a generational leader, we need to look no further than Jesus. He is the right person, We see this vividly in His life. Before He preached a sermon or healed a leper, the Father established His identity. At His baptism, a voice came out of the heavens: “You are My beloved Son, in You I am well-pleased” (Mark 1:11). Jesus operated from a place of beloved security, not a desperate need for approval.

Furthermore, Jesus did not emerge from the womb fully formed in His humanity; He submitted to the process of growth. Scripture tells us He “continued to grow and become strong, increasing in wisdom; and the grace of God was upon Him” (Luke 2:40, 52). If the Son of God prioritized spiritual and personal development, how much more must we? This growth created a person who was magnetic yet holy. The Father later reiterated on the Mount of Transfiguration, “This is My Son, My Chosen One; listen to Him!” (Luke 9:35). His authority to lead flowed directly from His identity as the Chosen Son.

We also see the heart of His leadership in His priestly role. Jesus was never a mechanical taskmaster driving His followers to production; He was a sympathetic partner committed to their restoration. Scripture tells us He “always lives to make intercession for them” (Hebrews 7:25), meaning His primary work was going to the Father on their behalf. He remained approachable and safe, a High Priest who “sympathizes with our weaknesses” (Hebrews 4:14-16), understanding the struggle rather than condemning the stumbler.

At its core, being a disciple of Jesus means becoming like Him (Matthew 10:24-25; Luke 6:40; 1 John 2:6). We must “master the Master,” as the late Howard Hendricks famously put it. If we want to see generations impacted, we must look closely at His ways, His words, and His intent, aligning our lives to the pattern He set.

The Scriptural Model

When we move from the Gospels to the Epistles, we see this principle codified in the life of Paul. Writing to his spiritual son, Timothy, Paul reflects on his own calling: “I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who has strengthened me, because He considered me faithful, putting me into service” (1 Timothy 1:12).

Notice the order of operations. Paul does not say Christ considered him “talented,” “educated,” or “strategic.” He considered him faithful. The Greek word here implies trustworthiness. Before Paul was entrusted with the care of the churches, he had to be entrusted with the character of Christ. The appointment to service was the result, not the cause, of his faithfulness.

This challenges our modern tendency to promote people based on potential or charisma. In the Scriptures, the “right kind of person” is one who has proven they can be trusted. This aligns with the explicit requirement for stewardship: “In this case, moreover, it is required of stewards that one be found trustworthy” (1 Corinthians 4:2). Paul acknowledges that the capacity for ministry comes from Christ (“who has strengthened me“), but the requirement for the assignment was his own faithfulness. This creates a powerful dynamic: we rely on His strength, but He requires our faithfulness. God is looking for a vessel that is reliable, one that won’t crack under the weight of the ministry He intends to pour into it.

Stories

The words hit me like a rifle report. My mentor leaned across the table. “You know the kind of men Jesus chose, Chuck? Fishermen. Working men. Men who’d drop their nets and follow.”

I was a young Army sergeant then, hungry to prove myself. But something in those words planted deep.

I wanted to be that kind of man.

The decision came at Fort Campbell. I’d just finished my tour as an Air Assault Instructor—a prestigious assignment, a golden ticket upward. The smart move was to become a squad leader in the Ranger Battalion, pad my résumé, and play the army promotion game. Instead, I volunteered to be a Ranger Instructor.

“Back-to-back instructor jobs?! Career suicide,” my peers said, shaking their heads. “You’ll never recover.”

But I saw something they didn’t. Ranger School meant predictable hours, no deployments. Time I could pour into ministry and into becoming the man I’d promised to be.

The Army’s promotion timeline is brutal. E7, Sergeant First Class, in seven and a half years? Ask any leader—they’ll tell you it’s theoretically possible but practically impossible.

Yet there I stood, receiving my stripes ahead of everyone who’d played it safe. Even ahead of those who called me foolish.

Matthew 6:33 became my compass: “Seek first His kingdom and His righteousness, and all these things will be given to you.”

God honored that sacrifice in ways I couldn’t have engineered. Not just the promotion, but something better—He surrounded me with men and women cut from the same cloth. People who’d drop their nets. People who understood that some things matter more than career trajectories.

I’d become the kind of person Jesus was looking for.

And He gave me a whole platoon of the same kind of men.

Suggestions

  1. The “Secret” Meeting: Schedule a daily, non-negotiable appointment with Jesus before you meet with anyone else. If your public ministry exceeds your private intimacy, you are heading for a crash. Saturate yourself in the Scriptures, especially the Gospels.
  2. Integrity Audit: Ask a trusted friend or spouse, “Where is my character inconsistent with my message?” Give them permission to be brutally honest, and then take action on what they say.
  3. Holistic Health: Do not neglect your physical or emotional health in the name of “spiritual” service. Establish a regular rhythm of exercise and rest to ensure you are a vessel built to last.

Application for Disciple Makers

For us, being the “right kind of person” requires embodying the full spectrum of this biblical witness. We must lead from a place of secure identity, knowing we are beloved by the Father (like Jesus), while simultaneously proving ourselves trustworthy in the small things (like Paul). We must commit to our own growth, constantly increasing in wisdom so our lives carry the weight of experience. And we must lead with sympathy, offering a safe harbor for others’ struggles. The WIGTake here is simple but weighty: the ceiling of your influence on those you are discipling is your own personal transformation in Christ.

Next Week: Character is the vessel, but what good is a vessel if it’s empty? Next week, we look at the fire that fills the vessel and the engine that drives spiritual reproduction: Ingredient #2: Love.

The Top 12 Ingredients –

Introduction

  1. Being the Right Kind of Person
  2. Love
  3. Finding the Right Kind of Person
  4. Authoritative Vision Casting
  5. Prayer and the Hand of God
  6. 2nd Generation Conviction
  7. Time With
  8. Spiritual Parenting
  9. Serving
  10. Reminding (Constantly)
  11. Trusting the Promises of God
  12. Perseverance

The WIGTake for Spiritual Generations 

By Chuck & Deb Wood and Pheaney (Peter) Lindell

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Introduction

We all want our lives to count for something that outlasts us. However, there is a distinct difference between leading a ministry that adds followers and leading a life that multiplies generations. The latter requires a shift in mindset—from performing a role to stewardship of a life.

What does it actually take to see spiritual generations emerge from your time on campus, in your workplace, or in your city? It requires a holistic approach that touches everything from your personal character to your exit strategy.

We have tried to identify the key ingredients that bridge the gap between good intentions and generational impact. Whether it is the “Authoritative Vision Casting” required to inspire action, or the “Time With” necessary to build trust, these are the elements that define a ministry of spiritual reproduction.

A quick note before we begin: This list is not exhaustive or a silver bullet. The Kingdom of God is vast, and there are certainly more than twelve components to a thriving ministry. However, these are the top ingredients that have risen to the surface in our own journey. They are the non-negotiables that we want to pass on from our experience—the ones we have seen consistently produce fruit over decades of ministry.

The Top 12 Ingredients –

Introduction

  1. Being the Right Kind of Person
  2. Love
  3. Finding the Right Kind of Person
  4. Authoritative Vision Casting
  5. Prayer and the Hand of God
  6. 2nd Generation Conviction
  7. Time With
  8. Spiritual Parenting
  9. Serving
  10. Reminding (Constantly)
  11. Trusting the Promises of God
  12. Perseverance

Our Plan of Attack: JSSS

To fully grasp this “WIGTake”—What It’s Gonna Take—we cannot rely on theory alone. We will explore these essential ingredients through four distinct lenses, a framework we call JSSS:

  1. Jesus: We begin with the ultimate model. We will examine how Jesus Himself embodied these ingredients.
  2. Scripture: We broaden our scope to the rest of the Bible to see how the early church and others applied these principles.
  3. Stories: We will share personal stories to illustrate what these ingredients look like in real life.
  4. Suggestions: We will offer practical advice for cultivating these ingredients.

So next week we’ll get started in earnest by looking at what kind of person it’s gonna take to see generations of disciples.

A note on this series: Chuck and Deb did the bulk of the writing work, and when you read ‘we’ you should think of them. Peter “Pheaney” Lindell added some stories, editing, and streamlining.